Has anyone got a set of 4 original Marcos alloys refurbished or in good enough condition to be reconditioned? What is the going rate for these wheels?
Original Marcos alloy wheels
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Posts: 3 Sun, 27-Sep-2009 18:59 |
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Posts: 792 Mon, 28-Sep-2009 08:53 |
I have a set of 14" wheel from a Mantula I keep tripping over - good enough to use without refurbishment IMHO - and complete with a brand new set of wheel
nuts. They are the sort seen in the Marcos advert below.
There's a lot of talk these days about green transport. Well, I am ahead of the game, I already have green transport ... British racing green.
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Posts: 46 Mon, 28-Sep-2009 10:14 Apprentice mechanic |
Hi.
I have a set of 4 original Marcos alloy wheels for sale - please call me on 01225 864816 or email jeremy@redlinesportscars.com to discuss if you wish.
Last Edited By: marcosrater Mon, 28-Sep-2009 10:25.
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Posts: 29 Mon, 28-Sep-2009 13:21 |
Hi,
I've got a couple of spare sets of 15" Valbrem 5-spoke 7J alloys as fitted to various later cars. PM me if you're interested and I'll send more details.
Andy B
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Posts: 4 Sat, 3-Oct-2009 16:48 |
Thanks for the replies - throws up lots of questions for me....... By Marcos "original" alloys I was referring to the alloys that were fitted to 3l
cars up to 1971 (I think) with 4 marcos logos as a cut outs within the webs of the alloys. These "original" wheels are 13" 5.5 J wheels - a set
recently sold on ebay. Are these interchangable with the 15" Valbern 5 spoke 7J alloys or 14"wheels in the replies? Are the
"original"wheels suitable for a V8 Mantula? Is there a definitive list of wheels sizes and tyres that fit them for the Marcos - Are all the
hubs/studs a Ford fit? Did all Marcos cars have bigger wheels on the front than the back?
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Posts: 133 Sun, 4-Oct-2009 07:05 |
"original" magnesium alloys are Triumph 3.75 inch PCD and won't fit a Ford hub.
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Posts: 5 Sun, 4-Oct-2009 15:37 |
Found an excellent source of advice and info from a link on the Forum to "The Restoration of a Marcos GT". The downloads work well and : http://www.marcos-restoration.net/downloads.html , has a build manual which sets out the various Wheel
and Tyre assemblies. (second download from the top, relating to the Mantula).
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Posts: 7 Sun, 4-Oct-2009 16:59 |
Thanks for the advice, The Keed, but for all the info I have found there is no reference to PCD. Can you advise? Also are the classic cars on Truimph hubs and
the Mantula on Ford hubs?
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Posts: 803 Sun, 4-Oct-2009 20:38 |
PCD (Pitch Circle Diameter) is the diameter of the circle that passes through the centre of the wheel studs - though given it is four studs you can just
measure between the centres of two opposite studs. The Marcos Mantula ones are Ford which is about 108mm I think
Correct wheels for your car must have the correct diameter, width, PCD, and offset (which is how far the mating plane of the centre of the wheel is away from the vertical centre-plane of the wheel). You can sometimes get away with a little difference in the offset. Steve
There's a lot of talk these days about green transport. Well, I am ahead of the game, I already have green transport ... British racing green.
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Posts: 8 Mon, 5-Oct-2009 19:14 |
Any idea what the offset is for a Mantula or where to find it? I didn't find a reference to the offset in the build manual I mentioned in my earlier post.
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Posts: 805 Mon, 5-Oct-2009 22:08 |
My notes tell me the wheels I have fitted have an offset of +25mm, which means the wheel is set in by 25mm compared to a zero-offset wheel, but they have 5mm
spacer plates, so are effectively +20mm on the car. I do not know if this is standard, it is what I have got. I have just measured the wheels I have for sale,
and it is +35mm. Width is 6 inches. PCD is 108mm.
The more I look at those wheels the more they grow on me, and I don't remember seeing a single Marcos with them on at Prescott even though they were on at least two Marcos brochure cars. I don't know if anyone knows the make ? Maybe I will keep them as a spare set.
There's a lot of talk these days about green transport. Well, I am ahead of the game, I already have green transport ... British racing green.
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Posts: 10 Tue, 6-Oct-2009 20:04 |
Thanks Steve - It's clearly important to get the offset right: The blue Coupe currently on ebay Has 8" inch wheels with neg offset. The owner states
that : "The rear wheels are wide from the rear view but okay from the front and always passes its mot. when i bought the set of wheels new,i ordered 6.5
inch with neg offset which is right for a marcos, but they sent 8 inch so i fitted them. the hubs are ford fitting, 108 pcd,so they could easily be chsanged to
6.5"
http://contact.ebay.co.uk...&requested=stuartgxi Can't imagine this set up does much for the suspension. Can anyone else verify the 20mm or 35mm positive offset (in Steve's reply) for wheels for a Mantula? |
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Posts: 808 Tue, 6-Oct-2009 20:20 |
I would also be very pleased to have confirmation that my + and - are the right way around ! I looked it up on the web, and as we all know the web contains a
right stew of facts, only some of which are correct. The measurements though (I hope) are unambiguous.
I think the offset on rear wheels is a question on clearing the bodywork, inside or outside, plus it is best for the wheel bearings if the centre of load lies between the two bearings on each wheel. However, for the front, I think spacing the wheels in or out could be more significant as regards the feel of the steering. It is not something I have looked into.
There's a lot of talk these days about green transport. Well, I am ahead of the game, I already have green transport ... British racing green.
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Posts: 21 Sat, 17-Oct-2009 14:33 |
I have enquired to Midland Wheels and they have given me a price for a new set of minilites for a Mantula at ET20 - positive which agrees with Steve's calculations. This suggests that the neg offset on the wheels of the blue coupe sold on ebay recently was the reason for the exposed wheels (and the discussion elsewhere on this forum re: extending wheelarches...) I have just bought my Mantula and looking through the records of receipts it has spacers of 5mm on the front wheels. It has star mag alloys on it, which I have not seen on any other Mantula and so I do not know what the offset is overall! I'll try and measure it when I take delivery...... Anyone know what era the star mags come from? I have found an advert on carandclassic.co.uk for starmags that came from a 70s Lancia Fulvia, so I assume they are from the 70s. |
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Posts: 3540 Sat, 17-Oct-2009 16:52 Administrator |
OldNoccer wrote:Interesting... they look like the alloys I had on the Evante. Have never seen them on anything else (until this picture).
The Quiffster
Unregistered user?, Why not come in out of the cold? It's painless, free and opens other options up to you. Spare less than a minute of your time and register here, go on, you know it makes sense! |
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Posts: 23 Sun, 18-Oct-2009 16:05 |
There is an ad in 1984 copy of Fast Lane with a ten spoke version of this wheel - advertised as "Rush" by a firm called Kiwi. Tried uploading a scan
but not sure if this has worked! Also came across an image of the Evante with the 7 spoke version circa 84.
The silver car in the image that Steve (ON) posted is the first Vitesse engined Mantula - featured in Sporting Cars in Dec 84 - painted silver for the 25th Anniversary and displayed on the Motor show stand according to the article... |
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Posts: 24 Sun, 18-Oct-2009 16:07 |
10 spoke Kiwi Rush advert - hope the file size is not too big! Simon |
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Posts: 828 Sun, 18-Oct-2009 23:16 |
Very interesting to see the wheels in the advert - they certainly look the same style, but then I haven't seen any of the alternatives in that advert on a
Marcos. It was also very interesting to learn that the silver Mantula was the first Vitesse engined car - I was wondering if the car below (which just sold the
other day after 10 years in hiding) was the same car. Was the first Vitesse engine a carb engine or efi ?
However the wheels have been on other Marcos brochure cars, such as the 2 litre 'Mantula' 
And there is a Mantula in the USA (maybe the only one) with the same wheels 
As a less common alternative to the Revolution 5 spokes, I wonder if they were only available for a short time, or were more expensive, or maybe they just
weren't liked. They certainly don't seem very common.
There's a lot of talk these days about green transport. Well, I am ahead of the game, I already have green transport ... British racing green.
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Posts: 26 Mon, 19-Oct-2009 19:37 |
The silver mantula (vitesse) had colour coded bumper/rear view mirrors/door surrounds and perspex covers plus the triumph bonnet pulls. The car in the advert
is a later with black colour coding. I'm looking into a new set of wheels so I spoke to Revolution today, funnily enough. They supplied 14in 5 spoke wheels
to Marcos in some quantity 50 sets or so a year I think he said, these were generally colour coded to match the body . Revolution no longer make 14in wheels
and those they make are 15in in white and black only.
So having started looking for the Marcos unique original design which will not fit a Mantula I have narrowed down my search to 14'' diameter 6in wide alloys with an positive offset of 20mm. I'm after either minilites or 5 spoke Revolution preferably in silver. I'm also rather nostalgic for Cosmic wheels (seen on the 3 litre volvo engined cars) but not sure is they come in a 14/6" size. |
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Posts: 27 Mon, 19-Oct-2009 19:45 |
The silver vitesse car was colour coded in the body colour (mirrors, bumper, door surrounds and perspex light covers) It also had triumph bonnet pulls. This
car in the ad is a later Mantula with black colour coded fittings.
Having studied wheels in the brochures and books ( an alternative to train spotting) and having learnt a lot from the forum I have narrowed my search down to 14in diameter 6in wide alloys with 20mm positive off set. The wheel design I am after are Minilites or Revolution 5 spoke (as factory fitted to later Mantulas) My other rather nostalgic preference is for Cosmic wheels (as fitted to 3litre Volvo engined cars) but I am not sure they were made in 14in size. |
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